Randal - The Bottomless Pit - a customer complains

elektro80

I go this from Softfin just now

From: softfin
To: elektro80
Posted: Today, at 10:35 pm
Subject: QFG boards etc.
I thought last friday was supposed be some kind of a deadline for Randaleem's QFG boards, but he hasn't written a word since thursday...

I'm beginning to think that it's possible he's not even intending to deliver those boards.

BTW, I noticed that a new member "TonnieWiegman", who first told about his PM response from Randal (2.11 deadline), has written on JH's Solina thread that he offers to sell about 20 TDA1022 chips for those who are patient to wait... Two messages, another one is a status update for QFG boards (which he told he got from Randaleem via PM), and the second one is an offer two sell some TDA1022s... Can be a coincidence, but still weird.

I'm just speculating here, but if Randaleem would be indeed a cheater, it wouldn't be hard to imagine him using more than one username and stretching the timetables for orders to get as many of them as possible.

Please tell me what you think?

Best,
Lassi/ Softfin

elektro80 · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject:

Tonnie Wiegmann posted from 81.204.231.212 - and his email addie is off planet.nl .

That does of course not prove anything.

fonik · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:06 pm Post subject:

just coincidence.

i once sold PCBs to tonnie wiegmann and he is living in Kilder/Netherlands.

EdisonRex · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject:

I don't think there is a relationship. Tonnie is a recent newcomer, and acts European, if you don't mind my making that observation. Just another trusting person caught in the web.

I would not implicate anybody else! not yet anyway. Anybody know Weigman from somewhere else?

Tim Servo

Hey Elektro,

Tonnie definitely lives in the Netherlands. I've sold him several Mankato boards and tempcos, so he's been a pretty good customer to Magic Smoke at least.

Randal is also real and definitely lives in Sacramento (saw him at AH Cali).

Tim (world traveler, or at least world shipper) Servo

Scott Stites · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:09 pm Post subject:

This may not prove anything either, though, in this case, it makes me doubt Tonnie Wiegmann is a Randal alias - Tonnie has ordered two Klee sets (Randal has ordered two as well).

I don't like the idea of selling Randal any sets, but it's one of those "I'd rather not go back on my word" moments, even though it is Randal. IE, I won't stoop to that level. I'm hoping Randal will just decline the boards at this point (lord knows there are others that would buy them).

Scott Stites · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject:

saw him at AH Cali

Was he a low talker? Laughing

fonik · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject:

BTW randal never payed for the boards he ordered or even answered my PM regarding his advance order... Rolling Eyes

elektro80 · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:11 pm Post subject:

Tonni seems dutch to me as well. I´ve told this to Lassi (softfin).

Still, Softfin is not pleased right now. he had expected Randal to make some kind of announcement on the 2nd.

v-un-v

blue hell · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 3:58 pm Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject:

Scott Stites · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:20 pm Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:55 pm Post subject:

Tom, I still think that Randal is seriously messed up. Yes, he is bullshitting and he is lying and he definitively is messing with people´s heads. Still, I think he is primarily of interest to modern medicine and not a criminal. Proof? Hmm.. he is too messed up.. if this is fraud then it is not exactly highly effective. He is way to focused on his image and his grand plans. He probably hit the bottom some moths ago and now he is reworking his illusions. I don´t see any point in actually banning him, but I´d like to see him doing business elsewhere and I´d like to see that he delivers the PCBs as promised. It doesn´t matter if the boards are defective or whatever as long as he manages to deliver something and we can see the end of the QFG nightmare.

Howard, isn´t it reasonable that we could tell him to not do business here? He won´t get banned, but rather we won´t allow him to sell stuff here?

With the suggestions for PCB selling rules and such as proposed by Matthias and others, wouldn´t these rules exclude future potential Randals?

v-un-v · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:07 am Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:13 am Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:29 am Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:33 am Post subject:

elektro80 · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:28 am Post subject:

Forget Randal for a moment.

Implementing the rules suggested for PCB board offerings ( see other thread in the mod helper forum ) should hopefully prevent this from happening again.

Except from lotsa Randal related posts in the offstage area ( and luckily we have implemented use of recycled photons for this board ), all things Randal should be seen as a lesson. I´m not exactly sure about the full extent of this, but we should learn from this rather than simply be bashing Randal.

EdisonRex · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:39 am Post subject:

blue hell · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:33 am Post subject:

fonik · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:39 am Post subject:

yep! see my last post
http://electro-music.com/forum/topic-21463-25.html

EdisonRex · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:12 am Post subject:

v-un-v · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:43 am Post subject:

I prefer guidelines.

Guidelines are better because they allow for the occasional deviation where a deviation is necessary. A rule is too strict. I prefer a more free society.

I feel a guideline would suit this forum better. The "one strike and you're out" or "you know the rules" thingie is a tad too authoritarian for my liking. I also like to know that there is a safehaven on the internet that I can go where I'm not likely to be told off or whatever.

Spanking I can tolerate, telling off I can't Exclamation

elektro80 · Posted: Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:04 am Post subject:

Whenever we can refer to actual rules the better we are off. Some stuff shouldn´t really appear to be bendable and tweakable and ignorable.