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twisted-space
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| Didn't the catholic church ban electronic music, or was it just tangerine dream they excommunicated? |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 3:55 am Post subject:
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| twisted-space wrote: | | Didn't the catholic church ban electronic music, or was it just tangerine dream they excommunicated? |
Why those wacky clergy, what will they think of next?
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twisted-space
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 5:44 am Post subject:
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Honestly.
I dread to think. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 9:09 am Post subject:
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| twisted-space wrote: | | Didn't the catholic church ban electronic music, or was it just tangerine dream they excommunicated? |
I can't find any reference to this on Google, neither a blanket ban nor just Tangerine Dream.
IMO, the Vatican does enough screwy stuff without the need to make up more stories 
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twisted-space
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:10 am Post subject:
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| dewdrop_world wrote: | | twisted-space wrote: | | Didn't the catholic church ban electronic music, or was it just tangerine dream they excommunicated? |
I can't find any reference to this on Google, neither a blanket ban nor just Tangerine Dream.
IMO, the Vatican does enough screwy stuff without the need to make up more stories
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Then you're not looking hard enough James, I found reference to the incident on the first page whenI googled it. It was also recently mentioned on the BBC (so it must be true huh?).
Apparently in 1974 TD played at Reims cathedral in france, and the audience behaved in such a way that the vatican banned TD from performing in it's churches ever again and had to re-consecrate the cathedral.
The story goes that they were then invited to perform at the protestant Coventry cathedral in the UK.
It suppose it may not be true but if that's the case, it wasn't me that made the story up. |
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:26 am Post subject:
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| twisted-space wrote: | | Apparently in 1974 TD played at Reims cathedral in france, and the audience behaved in such a way that the vatican banned TD from performing in it's churches ever again and had to re-consecrate the cathedral. |
That's right. This has been known 'forever' by TD fans.
BTW, I have the recording of that very show 
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:30 am Post subject:
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| twisted-space wrote: | | Apparently in 1974 TD played at Reims cathedral in france, and the audience behaved in such a way that the vatican banned TD from performing in it's churches ever again and had to re-consecrate the cathedral. |
Big deal  , they have to reconsecrate a cathederal if I just walk past it. 
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| twisted-space wrote: | Then you're not looking hard enough James, I found reference to the incident on the first page whenI googled it. It was also recently mentioned on the BBC (so it must be true huh?).
Apparently in 1974 TD played at Reims cathedral in france, and the audience behaved in such a way that the vatican banned TD from performing in it's churches ever again and had to re-consecrate the cathedral.
The story goes that they were then invited to perform at the protestant Coventry cathedral in the UK.
It suppose it may not be true but if that's the case, it wasn't me that made the story up. |
OK, fair enough. Sounds to me that they objected less to the music as such, than to audience behavior -- which they have a right to do as it isn't public property.
http://www.bigozine2.com/archive/ARrarities07/ARnicoreims.html
| Quote: | | The promoter had so greatly oversold the capacity of the venue that attendees could not move or reach the outside, eventually resulting in some fans urinating inside the cathedral hall. |
I think if people pissed on my living room floor, I wouldn't want them back either.
Seems a stretch to suggest that the Vatican hates Tangerine Dream - although, it's also stupid for the Vatican to ban only TD from playing in cathedrals, when any other rock/pop act could conceivably generate a similar circumstance.
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| I've been reading this thread for a while and think its amusing and enlightened, if sometimes a tad obtuse. Why do religious people feel threatened or offended by such plays on words and philosphical concepts? Personally, I find the religious posting above offensive.... |
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| abstraktor wrote: | | I've been reading this thread for a while and think its amusing and enlightened, if sometimes a tad obtuse. Why do religious people feel threatened or offended by such plays on words and philosphical concepts? Personally, I find the religious posting above offensive.... |
The one by James, hmm ... anyway .. I do feel threatened by this thread as well at times ... non religious as I am ... it still seems to touch parts other threads simply can not reach
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blue
yes, me also........but i didnt realize how old that topic was until i posted it! oops - anyway, if i remember rightly TD were banned from other cathedrals by the Vatican because people were pissing inside Rheims...and no doubt smoking er things as well...  |
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Yeah it's old .. and it started with simple trolling .. but people try to make the best of it, often easing things ... reducing the fear ... I like that part of it.
And erm .. pissing in a cathedral ... hmm ... must have been a bad situation there |
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| DrJustice wrote: |
That's right. This has been known 'forever' by TD fans.
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That´s right and even Edgar Froese knows about that one as well. He tells about that event on camera in the documentary "Kraftwerk and the electronic revolution".
This is actually a pretty decent documentary.
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| dewdrop_world wrote: | | Seems a stretch to suggest that the Vatican hates Tangerine Dream |
Agreed, as evidence seems to suggest that catholics are allowed to listen to Tangerine Dream.. well.. perhaps not.. what if they are listening to Tangerine Dream while considering to use contraceptives? 
BTW.. Tangerine Dream.. wasn´t that a swedish rubber thingie with a special flavor ...back in the early 80s?
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| elektro80 wrote: | | .. Tangerine Dream.. wasn´t that a swedish rubber thingie with a special flavor ...back in the early 80s? |
Gee, and I thought it was a new variety of Cannabis.
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Gee, and I thought it was a new variety of Cannabis. |
Nah, but before the russian invasion of Afghanistan you could buy inexpensive and brilliant opium laced hashish over here in Europe. You actually didn´t need to put on Tangerine Dream´s Zeit in order to .. well.. claiming to have heard it.. and those how did listen to it were all blinged out on the same shit anyway so they weren´t able to make sense of what they had heard. Nostalgia. Nasty russians put an end to the European counter culture. Possibly not a crime against humanity.. but darn close..
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| abstraktor wrote: | | I've been reading this thread for a while and think its amusing and enlightened, if sometimes a tad obtuse. Why do religious people feel threatened or offended by such plays on words and philosphical concepts? Personally, I find the religious posting above offensive.... |
Which post?
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| meloditech wrote: | This is for all those Christian members who are surprised
over what they've been reading here in this electronic music forum.
For those that thought this place was somehow free of people who think like the posts above.
There will always be folks denying the existance of God or his soveriegnity or the fact that he sent his Son to die on the cross for our sins.
I leave those folks to Him, pray for them daily and continue to play keyboard and guitar alongside believers and non-believers because-guess
what-we all answer for ourselves in the end. Ive never believed in shoving the word of God down anyone's throat and by the same token have personally rejected the musings of those who would breadboard Him into triviality or a 'childs fairytale".
Several have been abused or the victims of blatent hipocrasy that have turned them against the very concept of God.
It is those that He came for foremost and it is those that will find Him if they seek him. |
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| abstraktor wrote: | | Personally, I find the religious posting above offensive.... |
Personally I don't find that offensive. Sad in the context of today's scientific insights, a bit frightening in terms of its disjunction with that context and the psychological dissonance such disjunction with reality engenders. But not in any way offensive. Had the writer implied the right to interfere with those who do not believe in their god, that would have been offensive.
Again, I think it is important to respect everyone's right to hold stupid misguided beliefs so long as they do the same for others and especially me
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| you are correct of course bachus - let reason prevail! |
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| dewdrop_world wrote: | | Seems a stretch to suggest that the Vatican hates Tangerine Dream |
That's not actually what I was suggesting. I was making a joke in reference to mosc's idea that the sisteen chapel was a suitable venue for a electro music festival.
It certainly wasn't my intention to offend anyone.
Perhaps my sense of humor is a bit dry for you?
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What I like best about this thread is that it's still the original poster's only post! With a thread like this, who needs to ever post again?
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Ah yes! The perrenial "anti-religious electro-music" thread. It's like a stinky, yet warm, old sloppy joe which slowly rises through the laundry pile and appears again.
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| bachus wrote: |
Big deal , they have to reconsecrate a cathederal if I just walk past it. |
They have to reconsecrate if I even think about it.
I wasn't offended by the aforementioned offensive post. I just couldn't really make sense of it. If anything, the idea of breadboarding Jesus is hilarious.
BREADBOARDED JESUS
Your own breadboarded Jesus
Someone to plug in your diodes
Someone who cares
Your own breadboarded Jesus
Someone to switch your resistors
When the power ain't there
Feeling un-tuned
Waiting for a boon
Claire de la lune
Is my favourite tune
Lift up the resistor
I'll be your 'lectro sister
Take it apart
When the damn thing won't start
Things in your cart
That need to depart
I will deliver
An electronic liver
Switch on and shut up
Switch on and shut up
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Well as long as we're feeding the thread...
Here's a puzzling "lamebrain quote of the day" sent by a friend.
| Quote: | There's a broader point here. Why the big push for black holes by
liberals, and big protests against any objection to them? If it turned
out empirically that promoting black holes tends to cause people to
read the Bible less, would you still push this so much? Certainly
there is no practical justification to pushing black holes; no one
will ever be helped by them in any way.--Andy Schlafly 12:03, 13
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http://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Black_hole#Falsifiability |
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