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Scott Stites
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:57 am Post subject:
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OK, guys, I got this PM from Teknik, having to do with what Randal so wordily played out in the touch controller thread. I am by no means a legal expert, so please - whaddayall think?
| Quote: | Hi Scott,would it be a problem if i start a thread with s3rg3 modules single sided pcb re-draws?
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:10 am Post subject:
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what was s3rg3?  _________________
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:23 am Post subject:
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Ok - I just clicked (by checking) who this teknik guy is -- '2012' over at the Muff-forum and he's certainly sailed a bit close to the wind and in quite annoying / wrong ways before. He does have some experience and good views I think, but equally he can come across as a prick.
I don't know -- it IS very sticky territory.. I think he has reverse engineered some modules (that's the sort of stuff I've picked up at the muff-forum)..
I think something happened there in a thread about the Bananalogue VCS - maybe he posted a schematic or something like that and was then asked to take it down. Dunno really..
For what its worth, there's some Serge schematics (and PCB foils) on Ken Stone's site. But maybe this pushes too far.
Interested to hear the discussions though.
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Scott Stites
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:37 am Post subject:
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That's OK, Matthias - it took a little while for it to sink into me, too.
Thanks for that info, Tom. From that touchpad thread, I did pick up that there had been some interaction between Teknik and Randaleem.
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Dan Lavin

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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:42 am Post subject:
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Scott,
Sorry I've been fairly quiet lately...too much "real world" stuff lately! Anyway, I don't feel comfortable with pushing the Serge envelope any more than it is. Case in point: I've been thinking of an Oberheim SEM clone off and on and with recent announcements that Tom Oberheim is re-issuing his own SEM, I've dropped that project like a hot potato. I couldn't bare to deny Tom O any possible revenue....even small amounts.
I think clones should be discouraged unless there have been significant mods/changes added or permission of the original designer has been granted. I think that's the ideal that most everyone here has been working with anyway and I think if you PM him back in those words, he'll understand.
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 11:59 am Post subject:
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Thank you Dan, I think you're exactly right. _________________ My Site |
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject:
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I sent this reply. If any admin disagrees, please contact teknik. I doubt if you do, but there you go.
| Quote: | Hi Steve,
As much as I'd like to build some Serge stuff, the consensus is that electro-music would prefer not to host any more cloned layouts of Serge (or any other current maker's) designs, unless there is some sort of agreement from Serge on the cloners part to do so. A lot of the Serge stuff is in production by Rex, and I can see that there are some CGS boards out there as well. We're not entirely certain that Serge himself would appreciate it or not (likely not). As STG pointed out, some things have become almost pedestrian (touch plate type keyboards), but a vast number of Serge's designs are anything but that (for example, the Wavefolder and slope generator designs). Providing layouts of original designs that perform these more esoteric functions is obviously perfectly fine, if the design is posted by the designer, but posting unauthorized clones of those designs is asking for trouble. Can I put the word "design" more times in one sentence?
Just going over some of the more clonish things that have been posted, the designs are usually either authorized by the original designer, or so modified in functionality as to be markedly different.
So thanks for offering, but we feel inclined to pass on your offer.
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I agree..  _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:35 pm Post subject:
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Oh, good - I can sleep well tonight knowing Thor's hammer will not come crashing down through my ceiling.
Got an immediate reply - he's cool with the answer, and said that's why he'd asked in the first place. So all's well in electro-land.
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| bugbrand wrote: | | Ok - I just clicked (by checking) who this teknik guy is -- '2012' over at the Muff-forum and he's certainly sailed a bit close to the wind and in quite annoying / wrong ways before. He does have some experience and good views I think, but equally he can come across as a prick. |
He is on my asshole list, fwiw
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I have not seen you angry before Scott, I think? |
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Not that angry - haven't really had a reason to be before this guy. It seems to him, I'm conspiring to part people from their money with a useless piece of gear, and Bill is in the business of wringing the unsuspecting dry. What a maroon. _________________ My Site |
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Actually, the ignore button is over where you and I see the IP button. Seems like one of the admins changed his avatar into an ignore button as well.  _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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| elektro80 wrote: | Actually, the ignore button is over where you and I see the IP button. Seems like one of the admins changed his avatar into an ignore button as well.  |
Too bad that we don´t have a button for locking a bull-seeking missile onto Randal´s lair. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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Teknik? That is the same dude who went bananas over the bad sound quality of the RME converters. I vaguely remind those posts. The way I remember them seems to suggest that he really doesn´t know too much about anything. _________________ A Charity Pantomime in aid of Paranoid Schizophrenics descended into chaos yesterday when someone shouted, "He's behind you!"
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| Blue Hell wrote: | | bugbrand wrote: | | Ok - I just clicked (by checking) who this teknik guy is -- '2012' over at the Muff-forum and he's certainly sailed a bit close to the wind and in quite annoying / wrong ways before. He does have some experience and good views I think, but equally he can come across as a prick. |
He is on my asshole list, fwiw
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Ah, Teknik... He has had me pulling my hair in despair
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