Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2008 4:18 pm Post subject:
some tracks I made Subject description: speech, algorithmic composition n other fun stuff
I've been experimenting with Spoken Word style and Sprechstimme vocal technique and basically what I'm trying to practice is to take recordings of voices and compose the music behind it.
These are my first recordings, I found this CC-licensed vocal samples from the net and made the music xD Tell me what you think, it's in three parts the second part is an algorithmic composition(the harpsichord and other sounds)/ mixed with some functions and some processed voices of me singing and stuff like that xD
tell me what you think, I may make an EP and release it under CCL or free art license. Copyrighted xD
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject:
The player is working extremely badly on my Mac. I've tried both Safari and Firefox, both with all the latest updates, no add-ons. It plays a few seconds, then stops.
The first couple of seconds are cool, would like to hear more. Do you have any other way to listen?
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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2008 2:58 pm Post subject:
dewdrop_world wrote:
The player is working extremely badly on my Mac. I've tried both Safari and Firefox, both with all the latest updates, no add-ons. It plays a few seconds, then stops.
The first couple of seconds are cool, would like to hear more. Do you have any other way to listen?
James
Hmm, worked ok on my Mac/Safari. Just stuttered a bit in the beginning.
The player is working extremely badly on my Mac. I've tried both Safari and Firefox, both with all the latest updates, no add-ons. It plays a few seconds, then stops.
The first couple of seconds are cool, would like to hear more. Do you have any other way to listen?
James
Cool, I'd like to listen to your opinion. I just uploaded them to the electro-music server.
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject:
Hey Gabriel,
I finally got a chance to listen to these. Nice work!
Particularly strong, I think, is the pacing of the (slower) harmonic motion against the busier surface texture in the "... has something to say" pieces. The chords fit right in the pocket, too. For my own curiosity -- are the changes preprogrammed (purely deterministic), totally random or controlled by some other algorithm?
The harmonic vocabulary reminds me a bit of Paul Lansky's Idle Chatter pieces -- I mean that as a compliment.
The method of "ornamenting" notes in the canon with the spooky synth sounds is also really successful, though I wished that the canon would come to the foreground (maybe even sounding by itself without the background sounds) once or twice for more textural variety.
One of the really hard things in algorithmic composition is control over form. I don't have good code structures yet to generate large-scale form algorithmically -- currently I leave that to control manually while performing. These 3 pieces avoid the question altogether by sticking to one texture throughout (except "man has...," which comes to a definitive conclusion). Of course not every piece needs a whole lot of formal variety -- just something to think about for the future.
Thanks for sharing these -- I really enjoyed them!
James
i didnt get it. thats in a way normal, i guess. there were some phrases that made sense for my musical "taste", and i enjoyed them - but the majority of your work just went by me without even saying hello. is that a more mathematical kind of connoisseurdom? does it take time to really enjoy that? (i consider time to be of some importance since it took me years to enjoy hofstaedter and deleuze)
damn. i wanted to re-listen, but gopt errors galore. _________________ cloud1 - cloud2
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 8:06 am Post subject:
abreaktor wrote:
i didnt get it. thats in a way normal, i guess. there were some phrases that made sense for my musical "taste", and i enjoyed them - but the majority of your work just went by me without even saying hello.
I think that's related to my comments about form. Form is what makes a piece say hello, and goodbye, and more stuff in between.
One of the most important things I learned from my composition professor in grad school is the importance of punctuating the music with arrival points that can turn the piece in a different direction quickly (or even not so quickly). He recognized that I had a tendency to write gradual transitions between one texture, or section, and the next. But sometimes, what you really need is a bold, dramatic turn.
Another issue (and this is a weakness in my music too) is sonic variety. It takes so much work to come up with a really finely tuned sound that I tend to run the sounds possibly longer than I should.
By the way, you can download the attachments to your hard drive by dragging the "download" links into the downloaded files window in Safari or Firefox.
I'm sorry for taking so long, I just finished final exams today.
dewdrop_world wrote:
Particularly strong, I think, is the pacing of the (slower) harmonic motion against the busier surface texture in the "... has something to say" pieces. The chords fit right in the pocket, too. For my own curiosity -- are the changes preprogrammed (purely deterministic), totally random or controlled by some other algorithm?
The “has something to say” pieces are more like computer-assisted compositions rather than computer generated so there is a lot more human intervention, that’s why it may sound that they just fit in.
dewdrop_world wrote:
The harmonic vocabulary reminds me a bit of Paul Lansky's Idle Chatter pieces -- I mean that as a compliment.
Cool, I’ll definitely check it out.
dewdrop_world wrote:
The method of "ornamenting" notes in the canon with the spooky synth sounds is also really successful, though I wished that the canon would come to the foreground (maybe even sounding by itself without the background sounds) once or twice for more textural variety.
Yeah, I completely agree. Hearing the canon alone I sensed it as drained so that’s why I added the other functions, sounds etc … but hey it’s experimental music, I’m just exploring some pathways.
dewdrop_world wrote:
One of the really hard things in algorithmic composition is control over form. I don't have good code structures yet to generate large-scale form algorithmically -- currently I leave that to control manually while performing. These 3 pieces avoid the question altogether by sticking to one texture throughout (except "man has...," which comes to a definitive conclusion). Of course not every piece needs a whole lot of formal variety -- just something to think about for the future.
Cool, thanks a lot for your comment I really found it helpful and appreciate it! Especially since I’m in a learning face right now, I really like to hear people’s opinions and more when they have a concrete point.
dewdrop_world wrote:
PS I'm curious, how do you do your sound rendering? What language do you use for the algorithms?
For my algorithmic music I use my own java pseudo/framework, I’m thinking on writing an algorithmic music framework. The sound rendering is done via VST.
i didnt get it. thats in a way normal, i guess. there were some phrases that made sense for my musical "taste", and i enjoyed them - but the majority of your work just went by me without even saying hello. is that a more mathematical kind of connoisseurdom? does it take time to really enjoy that? (i consider time to be of some importance since it took me years to enjoy hofstaedter and deleuze)
damn. i wanted to re-listen, but gopt errors galore.
Well first of all, these are not serious pieces they are more like me experimenting new tools, sounds, structures etc… (I’ve been doing electronic music for less than a year). You talk about taste. What is taste? Taste according to Levitin in his book “This is your brain on music”, comes from how our brain structures music, what we listened as newborns and influences from close people. Taste is your enemy. Music is not necessarily made to be enjoyed; people are enslaved on taste and ideas on how music should be… music should be free and subjective … taste is a barrier. Taste is bad, very very bad, taste is evil:P … ok I’m exaggerating a byte, but you get my point. Don’t worry if you do not “get” my music actually very few people actually “enjoy it”, I don’t expect my music to be an mtv hit or formulistic music, I’m just making music mainly because it’s something I really like to do (and it’s a way for me to glorify the ostrich that gives it to me) … if people like it cool, if people don’t like it also cool with me. Thanks for your comment .
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Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 12:27 am Post subject:
Definitely trippy. Love the voice over in the first one, gave it something extra to listen to, more texture and cohesion throughout the song.
Very nice. _________________
There is power in music and there is power in silence, play both accordingly.
Music is what people use when they got something to say but words just aren't going to be enough.
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