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Chet
Joined: Nov 19, 2004 Posts: 231 Location: Lititz,PA,USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:44 pm Post subject:
So, what's your favorite G2 module? |
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Mine's the SeqCtr. It can be used for all kinds of things. It can be a custom waveshaper, a keyboard scaler, a multi-state window switch. And I think I've only scratched the surface. |
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Jason
Joined: Aug 12, 2004 Posts: 466 Location: Los Angeles, CA. USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:56 pm Post subject:
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I like the vocoder alot. I really like using it for synths and or other instruments. Though I am slowly learning about the other modules as well.
I have alot of work and learning to do, so I pick this one temporarily. |
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jamos
Joined: Jun 01, 2004 Posts: 514 Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:02 pm Post subject:
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Without a doubt, the string oscillator. And not for any good reason, either; I just keep finding myself drawn back to it.
Other than that, probably the 1-input mixer :') |
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mother misty
Joined: May 13, 2004 Posts: 681 Location: Ghent / Belgium
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Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 11:43 pm Post subject:
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I really like the LfoShpA module because it's so flexible!
You can use it as a mod source but also as a lo-fi sound source with some nice options like shape & phase modulation, direction & in/out sync. |
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Tim Kleinert
Joined: Mar 12, 2004 Posts: 1148 Location: Zürich, Switzerland
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 1:06 am Post subject:
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Oooh, that's a difficult one. I don't think I can give a clear answer.
I usually go through a phase where a particular module is of special interest, and I try to use and exploit it in all thinkable ways. I guess one could then call it "my temporarily favourite module". However, sooner or later, I move on.
However, I do agree with Chet. The CtrlSeq is deceptively powerful. The XMux crossfaded multiplexer also comes to mind. And lately, I do find myself coming back to the random pattern generators quite often, as they offer a neat way of doing quasi-sequencing to people who are too lazy to use the dedicated sequencers -like yours truly ... no, honestly! I find it far more refreshing to twiddle around on the parameters of the pattern generator and hear what it comes up with, rather than deliberately dialling a seq line of choice into a sequencer.
But as a conclusion, based on my experience with modular synthesis, I'd guess that the single most powerful and versatile module in any modular environment is the lowly VCA. |
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Fozzie
Joined: Jun 04, 2004 Posts: 875 Location: Near Wageningen, the Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 2:57 am Post subject:
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I just love the 4-in module, for live jamming and experimenting with 2 project/band members |
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mosc
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Joined: Jan 31, 2003 Posts: 18197 Location: Durham, NC
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:11 pm Post subject:
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My favorite is the 2-out module. I seem to use it in every patch. Without it, you can't hear anything, unless you use the 4-out. _________________ --Howard
my music and other stuff |
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blue hell
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Joined: Apr 03, 2004 Posts: 24081 Location: The Netherlands, Enschede
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Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 3:55 pm Post subject:
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Just as Tim said before, things change with time. Currently it's the delays I guess. The vocoder I use least - even less than the keyboard module, somehow my vocoder patches are always disappointing to me. Maybe I should try a vocoder in a feedback loop ...
Jan. |
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lamarcph
Joined: Oct 21, 2004 Posts: 40 Location: Montreal, Canada
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Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 8:32 am Post subject:
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The Clock Generator module.
Most of the time, it's the first module I put on a patch. It gets things going. |
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Rob
Joined: Mar 29, 2004 Posts: 580 Location: The Hague/Netherlands/EC
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 5:16 pm Post subject:
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Like Tim said, the VCA (multiplier) is pretty cool and not lowly at all, as so much depends on simple multiplications (plus additions and subtractions). So, I would like to add the two input mixer, the one with the invert buttons to the multiplier.
Still, the module that amazes me every time I use it is the metal noise osc. With just a litle random modulation and some fiddling with envs and some distortion I managed to create a huge array of very useful and quite different cymbal sounds, which are so much better as all other synthetic cymbal sounds I heard in my life (must be a few). Mostly I use the metal noise osc with two parallel envs, a short (e.g. 24 msec) and heavily distorted one for the hit (distortion before the env vca, e.g using the static shaper) plus a softer (+/- -20dB) and longer (e.g. 419 msec) env for the decay. And then whatever one would do to a real cymbal in a mix. |
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Tim Kleinert
Joined: Mar 12, 2004 Posts: 1148 Location: Zürich, Switzerland
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Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2005 11:40 pm Post subject:
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Yeah -beware of the mighty VCA !!
Rob -would you mind posting an example of your cymbal tricks? Drum synthesis seems to be a current topic right now anyway (see sheridans posts lately), would fit nicely. |
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wildbill
Joined: Apr 28, 2004 Posts: 46
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:34 am Post subject:
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keyboard release velocity thru an inverter. like most modules, it doesn't actually do anything by itself, but it's capable of some great stuff when used to modulate other things. |
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Rob
Joined: Mar 29, 2004 Posts: 580 Location: The Hague/Netherlands/EC
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Tim Kleinert
Joined: Mar 12, 2004 Posts: 1148 Location: Zürich, Switzerland
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 4:09 am Post subject:
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Oh wow -thanks alot, Rob!
Hey, not only does this sound great, it's also VERY interesting... meaning: I don't really understand it .
Well, nifty as it is, I understand the actual cymbal stuff on the right side... but the FIR filter in the middle eludes me. Patching-wise, I understand what is going on (making an 48kHz clock and driving a shift register to yield individual samples), but the thought behind mixing and blending those samples is beyond me. It sounds very effective on cymbals, though.
The master will now (hopefully) expound.
(if he does, maybe we should make a new thread...) |
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Rob
Joined: Mar 29, 2004 Posts: 580 Location: The Hague/Netherlands/EC
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:14 am Post subject:
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tim wrote: | Well, nifty as it is, I understand the actual cymbal stuff on the right side... but the FIR filter in the middle eludes me. Patching-wise, I understand what is going on (making an 48kHz clock and driving a shift register to yield individual samples), but the thought behind mixing and blending those samples is beyond me. It sounds very effective on cymbals, though.
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I was always frustrated that standard EQ's in general fail miserably to do tonal shaping on cymbal sounds. So, my thought was to split the spectrum in two bands, with a crossover frequency around 6kHz, and apply a short FIR filter on the high band and basically the standard EQ stuff on the low band. This yielded a simple situation; only five controls to tweak that very high part. Which is imho a manageable amount of knobs to tweak.
Compare this with a wish to control the whole audio spectrum with a realtime FIR filter at 48kHz, which would add up to some 2400 knobs to manually tweak in an obscure way. (If you don't mind I won't go into the convolution thingy.)
I tried the idea out on drumloop samples and groove boxes and it turned out to work very well for my own purposes.
Notes:
The lowest frequency that can be affected by a FIR filter depends on the delay line length and the sample rate of the FIR filter. Which in general means that for realtime purposes only the high end of the spectrum can be filtered. Luckily, if the sample rate is about 48kHz, which isn't too bad for a FIR filter, only few entries in a delayline are needed to filter the very high.
Btw, the X-Over is necessary to make it work smoothly on material that contains more sounds with lower frequencies.
The FIR filter used is a symmetric one, to avoid phase shift effects. It now does have latency, in fact a little under 0.1 msec. So, it is necessary to delay the low band as well (which can be best done with the SR32 module instead of the SR8, but this patch was just a quicky).
The FIR filter can also be made 'point symmetric' by e.g. inverting the 5,6,7 taps or inverting just any combination. But I found it not really necessary to do that. Like in the example it works out nicely enough for me on the cymbals in e.g. a sampled drumloop.
The good thing is to modulate the FIR parameters by e.g. an LFO. This will give life to the static 'endless repeat' effect in a drumloop without affecting the stuff in the low.
There isn't much more to say about it, except that one shouldn't think too much of the five knobs and just tweak them by ear, just as one does with standard EQ. |
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Tim Kleinert
Joined: Mar 12, 2004 Posts: 1148 Location: Zürich, Switzerland
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:23 am Post subject:
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Rob wrote: | There isn't much more to say about it, except that one shouldn't think too much of the five knobs and just tweak them by ear, just as one does with standard EQ. |
Well, that's what I'm doing right now. (I think I'll stay away from the "convolution thingy" for the time being.)
Thanks -this is most refreshing! Why not post it as a building block? |
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Rob
Joined: Mar 29, 2004 Posts: 580 Location: The Hague/Netherlands/EC
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:40 am Post subject:
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tim wrote: | Why not post it as a building block? |
Sigh, If only I had the time to do that! And all those other things that just don't seem to get done these days.
Still, I almost finished the tax business. And if the taxman and mr. bankmanager will just leave me be for a couple of months... |
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3phase
Joined: Jul 27, 2004 Posts: 1183 Location: Berlin
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:54 am Post subject:
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Rob wrote: | tim wrote: | Why not post it as a building block? |
Sigh, If only I had the time to do that! And all those other things that just don't seem to get done these days.
Still, I almost finished the tax business. And if the taxman and mr. bankmanager will just leave me be for a couple of months... |
uhhh...the bad word...dont say .....man... The problem with music technology is that it cant really solve this kind of problems...
My favorite module is the G2... |
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wildbill
Joined: Apr 28, 2004 Posts: 46
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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject:
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oops - almost forgot those fantastic comb filters.
i don't have any great technical info on them like rob does; i just know i like what they can do. |
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