G2 Version 1.40 Released!

dasz · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:09 am Post subject:

So, how much time do you guys spend Patching vs Mutating?

For me it is 90% patching & Manually creating variations, and 10% mutating.

Maybe this could be moved into a poll?
/Dasz

monobass · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:13 am Post subject:

Probably a bit early for a poll with a healthy sample!

cebec · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:06 am Post subject:

Yeah, Dasz, I probably spend the same amount of time patching/mutating, as well. (90/10)

I use the mutation as a way of exploring patches I've already designed and spent some time with adjusting 'by hand'. I also use the mutation to explore patches I haven't made any major modifications to in awhile... old or stale patches, for example. Sometimes the mutations will give me ideas for adding new controls or modifications to the existing structure.

Unfortunately, since many of my patches are not traditional VCO/VCF/VCA sturctures, the patch adjuster isn't as useful as it could be. Mod Rate adjustment almost always comes in handy, though. However, using the Timbre adjustment knob, for example, can totally wreck a carefully constructed DIY filter. I suggested to the Clavia team that the patch adjuster controls follow the mutation exclusions/or have their own module exclusions. Maybe eventually...

ian-s · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:21 am Post subject:

I haven’t tried 1.4 yet, not much free time today. There are some projects where I think it will be valuable. I know that a long chain of FM modulators can produce the perfect cymbal sound; there are just too many interactive variables to tweak manually. So I’ll try this new feature and just listen.
Rob has a point about it not being a substitute for experience, but on the other hand, I have sometimes been amazed at sounds achieved by inexperienced people. They sometimes try things that make no sense, but still turn out sounding great.

dasz · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:04 pm Post subject:

AngusHastie · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:48 pm Post subject:

It's fantastic for clueless people like me. I've already stumbled across some incredible sounds that I would never have arrived at through tweaking individual parameters. And it would take me ages to come up with so many great variations. This will absolutely revolutionise the way I use my G2.

Angus

ian-s · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:02 pm Post subject:

Am I crazy or does it sound better now? Some reworking of the basic audio stuff or maybe just a little tweak to the reverb or maybe just my imagination.
Seems to be an improvement in the upper mid - high range on old patches. Clearer and less fatiguing somehow.

BobTheDog · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:56 pm Post subject:

For me the interpolate is really usefull.

My midi guitar converter allows me to send out cc's depending on where on the string I pick, if I set this CC to 70 then when I play near the bridge it selects variation 1 and as I play up the string towards the fretboard it selects the other variations up to 8.

So I have a patch with two variations I like, put one in 1 the other in 8 and interpolate now depending where I pick I can smoothly morph between the variations, this is really excellent.

Cheers

Andy

deknow · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:22 pm Post subject:

cebec · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:54 pm Post subject:

monobass · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 5:57 pm Post subject:

blue hell · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject:

AngusHastie · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject:

I've had some fabulous results from selecting a patch I like (works especially well in patches with sequencers controlling pitch etc.), randomising, picking one of the new sounds and then interpolating from that back to the original, then dropping all the in-betweeen steps into the variation slots. So long as you pick the "right" random starting point (i.e. the jumps are subtle enough and you've locked anything that's going to completely cripple the original sound), you can get some fastastic effects of sense-emerging-from-chaos as you switch through var 1 to 8.

monobass · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:32 pm Post subject:

cebec · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:36 pm Post subject:

AngusHastie · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:46 pm Post subject:

I like this sort of thing. Var 8 is the target, var 1 is the starting point and as you play you can just switch from 1 to 2 to 3 etc. and the melody gradually emerges.
Maybe there should be some unofficial system of tags in patch names to show what they are (like _int for an interpolated range of variations like this)? Sorry - a bit of a geek suggestion, but might be useful, especially if someone is using someone else's creation and wants to show that they've just mutated it (maybe _m or something...?)

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davep · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:52 pm Post subject:

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Kassen · Posted: Thu Jan 19, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject:

Regardless of how it worked in the history of the planet; evolution would work from the perspective of biologists while when we asume the outlook of the proponents of intelligen design it indeed doesn't work. Both are right from their own perspective; what matters is who's perspective is closer to reality.

To me a interesting question would be wether the combination of a G2 patch and a human clicking on his prefered variations would be more like how biologists look at the origin of the species or more like how the creationists look at the history of the species.

Antimon · Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:14 am Post subject:

It would be nice if you were able to tell the mutator to mutate osc pitches by octaves... but i guess if you start putting in these special cases the GUI for the mutator will become messy after a while.

I solved the case above by excluding osc frequencys from mutation, and then routing a switch button output multiplied by 3 into the pitch input of the oscillator.

I have two different ways of approaching my G2: either I have a good idea of what sound I want to create, or I just feel like messing around with crazy module routings and see what happens. In the future, I feel that the mutator will be useful especially in the latter case.

/Stefan

Fozzie · Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:10 am Post subject:

Wout Blommers · Posted: Fri Jan 20, 2006 1:17 am Post subject: