Starting off with modulars

[nickster]

Hello everyone,
As this topic suggests I am looking into buying a modular synthesizer and am a bit overwhelmed by the diversity of manufacturer and modules.
However I have decided that I would like to buy a Eurorack basic system (2osc,1vco,1vca,2adsr,1rm,1s&h,mixer,1LP or MultiFilter).
In looking at the various ones on offer I was drawn to Doepfer, Analogue Solutions & Analogue Systems. I have heard lots of positive feedback about the Doepfer and Analogue Systems modules but very little about Analogue Solutions. Can anyone give me their thoughts about starting off with a system built entirely of Analogue Solution modules? And would I be able to house this in a Doepfer case without any electrical issues or otherwise.

Secondly I am interested in Curetronics as I would like to build my own modules using their kits. (this would of course mean a differing format from Euro) & would love to hear what people have to say about the kits they make in terms of how difficult they are to build and the quality of them. Also how difficult it is to source faceplates?
Hoping someone can help out there.
Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.
Regards Nick

[v-un-v]

Hi Nick.

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Personally, I'd start with a Nord Modular first, and then work out from that what to get, analogue wise (it's a lot cheaper that way!).

To be honest, I just stayed with the Nord, as it was fine for my purposes. I just drool over what I'll buy, after I retire! (keeps my wife sweet!)

PS- I'd avoid Analogue Solutions. Analogue Systems are a far better breed of machine (they got EMS behind them for one!!)

[Antimon]

I have a single full-size cabinet with Curetronics modules, plus a semi-modular from Music From Outer Space (SoundLab Ultimate). I went with Curetronics' kit option. This means that Matthias solders all components onto the PCBs, and sends you them along with all pots and switches you need. All you need to supply yourself is panels and soldering wire. He has a second cheapo option where he just sells you the PCBs.

Can't say I'm not satisfied with my Curetronic, though the system is too small (13 modules) to live on its own I feel. I use it a lot in conjunction with the SoundLab Ultimate (which I am very happy with). I've been thinking about ordering some more PCBs from.

A note about Curetronics - it's not Eurorack (if I've gotten the terminology right), it tends to be bundled together with Moog and MOTM rather than Doepfer. If you went the kit option you might be able to do Eurorack panels anyway, though I'm not completely sure the PCBs fit.

I can vouch for the Nord Modular too though - it's the most inspiring instrument I've owned to date.

/Stefan

[jksuperstar]

I'd thrid the Nord Modular option: or even a software modular. Unless you already have lots of experience with modulars, you will learn alot using the software types about what you personally will need or want out of a set of modules, how many of each type, and what specific model of each type (for example, for filters-- moog ladder? state variable? 24db? resonant?).

[kkissinger]

As a practical matter, you can make a few basic decisions about a hardware modular:

1) How tall will the modules be? While the width can vary the height is a "given". If you mix different makes of modules, it is easier if the modules will fit into your cabinet.

2) What kind of front panel connections? 1/4", 1/8", or banana jacks? Each kind has its advantages -- you want to standardize so that you don't have to stock a bunch of adapter cables.

3) What kind of power supply? Most modulars require either +/- 15 volts or +/- 12 volts. Note the some modules will run off of either voltage though they will likely require modifications to convert from one voltage to another.

4) Will your modules have linear or exponential tracking? The most-common standard is exponential: 1 volt per octave. To match linear tracking and exponential tracking equipment will cause some headaches. Strongly suggest that you choose exponential tracking.

5) Make sure all the Gate and trigger voltages are standardized. 10volts peak-to-peak is common though some systems use 5 volts. Also, will your envelope generators require seperate gate and triggers or will they fire with a gate only? I prefer discreet gates and triggers. Again, your patching will be less confusing if you choose a standard method. Also, if your gates and triggers are positive-going then your modules need to accept positive-going.

6) What kind of music will you do? If you want to do tonal music a la "Switched On Bach" you will need circuitry that has good tuning stability and precision. Look for 1% (or better) resistors in any pitch-sensitive circuitry, for example. If your music is more "free form", you may not require as much precision -- or you may not want as much precision.

In other words, the key is to standardize so that your modules are compatible with each other.

Since you want to build a kit synthesizer, suggest that you choose a vendor that offers all or most of the modules that you want. For your first cabinet of modules, I suggest you pick a vendor and stick with that vendor. Once you learn to build from kits, you can learn additional techniques -- such as building your own panels, etc. If you can build your own panels, then you can choose whatever electronics you want while creating panels with sizes and connectors that are compatable with your system.

Good luck!

[nickster]

Thanks everyone for your replies.
As far as modulars go my experience has so far been limited to software I have Arturia's Moog Modular, Reaktor, ACE, ARP 2600 V & Reason (which while not strictly a modular does lend itself to good noodling possibilities). On the hard ware front I own amongst other analogue and digital synths a Moog which was where the modular interest started. As the Moog has CV outs and potential in's through a conversion I could do I started wondering how I could beef up the Moog by building a small cabinet of extras (Osc,RM etc) to enhance it together with my my CP-251. I then after much thought realised I had already been smitten by the modular bug and decided that a whole system would offer all I need now and in the future.
I usually spend a great deal of time sound designing and lesser amounts of time writing music for film so for me sonically I am looking into a system that not just offers interesting bleeps but can deliver performance quality music. Also at a reasonable price. Which is where I imagine most people run for the shelters as all this wonderful electrickery does have a price.
I am still interested in Analogue Solutions but again it is difficult to make an informed opinion without a test drive and or hearing from someone who has used Tom Carpenter's modules. Whilst Analogue Systems seems to be very well respected the aspect of the slight size difference between AS modules and other Eurorack modules may in time be an issue.
I guess that means that following peoples advice Doepfer will offer a comprehensive choice of modules whilst allowing other Eurorack makers a space in their cabinets.
Choices choices choices
Thanks again everyone anyone with further suggestions please have a shout as any & all info is so helpful.

[Sound]

Don't forget consider to make yourself the modules. There are very nice projects. Check the DIY subforum here.

Regards.